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M'I.5 Persecutio n , purpos e in publiciz ing it ; censorship in u k.* news groups
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2008-01-01 15:19:41 UTC
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The postings to uk.misc. newsgroup generated a very defensive reaction from
Usenet readers in the UK. So much so, that. they tried strenuously to
suppress what was being said, both by breaking the rules. of netiquette in
their responses on the forum, and directly by action to revoke. the account
from which the postings. were issued.

Yet the postings were within. the normal boundaries of behaviour for
uk.misc, and other less partisan spectators did not see. justice in the
censorship which was effected, as the following. excerpt shows;

:Karen Lofstrom (***@lava.net). wrote
:>It does seem that the frequency and the size. of his posts are
:>approaching net abuse. However, IMHO, they aren't. quite there yet. If
:>his postmaster. were to act in this instance, it would raise troubling
:>censorship. issues.

The inescapable conclusion. of the censorship effected on the uk.*
newsgroups is that the British are intent on their wrongdoing. remaining
concealed, and therefore seek to subvert and suppress freedom. of speech,
not only in their. own country where the media shows xenophobic bias and
bile against all perceived enemies within and without, but also. in other
countries. which have their own statutes to guarantee the basic human right
of. free speech.

It is absolutely necessary to bring their hate campaign out into the. open
where it can be placed under scrutiny and the harassers seen for. what they
are. That is the only way of making it impossible for the. security services
to carry it out. There. is a wider dimension, though. Xenophobia as
demonstrated by. British people and institutions over the last few years
belongs to the same stable as racial hatred. In one case,. two youths on a
Tube train made that racism explicit. by referring to their victim as a
"soft toy, not up to British Standards". Doubtless others. victimize partly
on the basis of race (isn’t it odd. that they chose to torment someone who
is not ethnically. English?) while expressing their abuse in terms of
another genetic attribute,. namely mental illness. All xenophobia on a
genetic basis. is wrong, but while racial insults are illegal, abusing the
mentally ill is neither against. the law nor subject to similar condemnation
when. it is exposed.

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e***@gmail.com
2008-01-15 22:48:33 UTC
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not wonder to see simple people believe without reasoning. God
imparts to them love of Him and hatred of self. He inclines their heart to
believe. Men will never believe with a saving and real faith, unless God
inclines their heart; and they will believe as soon as He inclines it. And
this is what David knew well, when he said: Inclina cor meum, Deus, in...
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285. Religion is suited to all kinds of minds. Some pay attention only to
its establishment, and this religion is such that its very establishment
suffices to prove its truth. Others trace it even to the apostles. The more
learned go back to the beginning of the world. The angels see it better
still, and from a more distant time.

286. Those who believe without having read the Testaments, do so because
they have an inward disposition entirely holy, and all that they hear of our
religion conforms to it. They feel that a God has made them; they desire
only to love God; they desire to hate themselves only. They feel that they
have no strength in themselves; that they are incapable of coming to God;
and that if God does not come to them, they can have no communion with Him.
And they hear our religion say that men must love God only, and hate self
only; but that, all being corrupt and unworthy of God, God made Himself man
to unite Himself to us. No more is required to persuade men who have this
disposition in their heart, and who have this knowledge of their duty and of
their inefficiency.

287. Those whom we see to be Christians without the knowledge of the
prophets and evidences, nevertheless judge of their religion as well as
those who have that knowledge. They judge of it by the heart, as others
judge of it by the intellect. God himself inclines them to believe, and thus
they are most effectively convinced.

I confess indeed that one of th

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